All characters in this discussion are very much real and opinions expressed are thoroughly genuine and individual. Bear with the length of the discussion and this is strictly prescribed for reading for pure cricket lovers :) Saved this discussion as a testimony to see who is a greater predictor of the future of IPL. Contents edited for better readability. Bear with the slang :) All in the game:)
Participants -: Andhra University EEE 2002 passouts
Dated -: Apr'08 25th - May'08 3rd
$ said-: I am trying for tickets for tomorrow's match between Chennai Super Kings Vs Kolkata Knight riders.....My 2 dream teams.....We will know if we get tix or not by tomm since all tix are sold out....btw Deccan chargers lost ydays match ..:-((( felt bad as last over took the game away from thm..... and U hyd guys, y isn't anyone showing up (wrt celebs or stars etc) at Hyd stadium when everyone else in the other cities are going gaga over cricket......I felt there’s no one who is supporting Deccan chargers......C'mon, Hyd...Support them!! ;)))
Jagan said -: Wow...cool tix dorikithe don't miss....I am watching every match's first innings and going office late :), today also I had watched Deccan's batting and thought they will win for sure...but the result had gone the other way...:((... Chennai Super Kings & Kolkata Knight are the best teams so far...of course RCB is not far from them...I think andhra film industry got political fever... :))
Deccan team doesn't have good bowling attack but their batting line up is strongest when compared to any other team...I am waiting to see Tendulkar to wear his shoes and get in to the field, I don't agree with Sree about Indian team...to name few Sehwag, Yuvi, Rohit, Yusuf, Dhoni, Uthappa are doing well...you will see more new faces as the game progresses...as of now we are hearing only Aus's as they are the masters of hitting the cricket ball...
$ said:- If it was a new gimmick to make Rich the richer, famous batsman more famous, then why do we need an IPL when already BCCI and ICL are there........??? personally speaking, toh im xcited about tomm's match (a fool dat i am like many others:) I dint quite like the idea of IPL a bit... may be we can start sharing our opinions about IPL in an organized way.....wat say????
Jagan said:- Yah, we can do that...:) Let me start with mine...
If you look at IPL for short time, you are right Sree but i am looking at it for many years, so called famous & rich players will disappear in 2 to 3 years. Looking at the success of IPL, England and Caribbean are coming close to start EPL, this will help Caribbean cricket, as other countries start their own IPL format then second stream people are the first to benefit, they will get gr8 opportunity to learn, as is the case with the Indian young players, many young bowlers are learning a lot from this IPL and that will help the Indian team, it's same for other countries as well.
I would like to see many countries tart playing cricket. I think by next Olympics (next to Beijing's) ,cricket also will be part of it. Personally I love test matches though i don't have time to sit before TV & watch longer time, same entertainment if i am getting through this short version of cricket, I love to watch it. Now it's your time guys.....
Chandu said :- Sorry about the length of the mail. :)
Good things:1) It is a very good opportunity for new talent. As you are saying, only Sehwag got man of the match upto now and Australians are the major performers. The players cant get any closer look than this to know how far they have to raise the bar. Time for local heroes to step up.
$'s response - : If its unleashing and encouraging new talent, then atleast there wud be some good at the end of the tunnel. But I feel players (whether new/old) wud be more motivated towards making that big buck that IPL generates rather than playing for love of cricket. And English premier leagues were popular cos they had local heroes in thier teams and there is some excitement for U meeting that popular face in a local mall u visit or a movie u go...I mean u have a feeling of nativity. Here, its a global composition who fly down for 3 hrs from diff parts of the world and u are not even sure if they wud remain in ur team in the next season.
Bottom line - There is absolutely no sense of belonging ness as u see when u play for a country. Atleast it wud come, if the teams composition is just local players..... maybe when u start off with such palyers, u may not have a packed house opening, but with cricket cant u create local heroes is what is my Q
2) More options to pursue cricketing career. Not only for the players but for all the ones behind the scenes.
$'s response :- Good option but just imagine where is the money coming from?? Aren’t they not exploiting the common man too much with an overdose of cricket??? Its like paying the big franchises from ur pocket.
3) Its a treat for cricket fans. Another major entertainment option esp with Bollywood adding more glamour. $'s response -: This is one thing which I hated...... A big star owning cricket team is so far so good, its his/her choice... but why the hell do hey need music concerts/half naked cheer leaders as a promotion??? Do u think they really have to do all this to gain that extra mile...I wud have been v happy if they added this entertainment value to a game like hockey or kabaddi or some other game which is finding difficulty to breathe..... C'mon u don’t have to take a popular game like cricket which is already larger than religion in India...
I personally like it just for its entertainment value.
$'s response :- I really wonder how u liked that aspect. Its only due to this I hated the idea cos in anyway ur demeaning both stakeholders....Cricket as well as entertainment. Frankly tell me....Do u need Hariharan/Shankar mahadevan/Siva mani on stage to promote cricket...does cricket really need it???
Bad things:
1) Huge blow for cricket in the long run. I don’t have to explain this. We won’t see spinners of Shane warne quality anymore. We get more of run saving bowers who bowl kinda medium pace but very few wicket taking ones. Already every spinner is scared of using flighted deliveries. I feel pretty bad about it and ICC should do something to keep test cricket alive but its the money that ultimately wins. So future generations will not have the slightest idea of what it is like driving the ball thru covers (imagine Sachin) when a bowler like Mc Grath is bowling in Australia.
$'s response -: Exactly...It wudn’t just not stop with what u said...Down the lane I tell you what its gonna do....Its gonna tear apart the basic love for cricket ppl had......Cos anything too much wudn’t sustain and since the cause for all this itself is making money. I am really unsure of how long can they pull ppl to stadiums or watching a channel for that matter......Already, I am so bored watching a match every day.......and stands are half empty for big matches also... What wud happen is, even for ICC matches, ppl will stop eventually.....So with ur own hands, u wud have strangled the game without a notice....
2) IPL is just another way of BCCI expressing monopoly in India cricket. ICL will eventually fade away unless something turns up in the case they filed again IPL/BCCI.
$'s response -: May be good for Cricket India and BCCI since India is the country that’s crazy about he game but they cud have chosen other ways to promote it than killing the soul of game.
Jagan said -: Haaa...at last we got Editorial version... :)) few corrections, EPL is yet to start (English premier leagues), I think it should point to English county cricket... :)), In this format of cricket also foreign country players are eligible to play. I guess we are expecting more from IPL, i am sure it's not going to affect any format of the cricket, rather it will become like Ranji Trophy/Dileep Trophy/Irani Trophy...etc. Who cares all these trophies now? IPL my sustain for some time as it has some big names, once they are out then no need to mention...but one thing is for sure more cricket lovers will like to play this format (20-20) of game(of course we always used to play 20-20 at college :) ). Test cricket any ways no one playing, it is only played at the highest level, so ICC already has rules set for this format of game to alive. 50-50 overs cricket will never going to lose it's glory. How can we for get the tension and the all excitement people show for games between Ind Vs Pak, Aus Vs Eng..etcBottom Line: if you are worrying for cricket don't worry nothing going to harm cricket. If the worry is about extras added to cricket just ignore them.
Chandu said -: IPL is commercial product. Its an entertainment package. If they provide more value(entertainment) for the buck I pay, it doesn’t bother me at all :) I would njoy it. These things are more like fillers to maintain the mood but nothing like demeaning cricket. I hope "half-naked" part is not the one bothering you (jus kidding). Actually down the line we might see some local competition for cheer leading and that would just be more "entertaining". :) Cricket with this larger than religion image, how may people turn up to a Ranji trophy? If IPL is with jus the local teams, would it have enough crowd pulling power in India? I seriously doubt that. It’s not the case in England. All the counties have lots of local fans. So much that they are confident that these teams would pull the crowd for the EPL they are going to start. We are in no way close to comparison. Most part of this format and pace of the game is borrowed from the west and as time progresses; each team has their own fan base irrespective of who is playing for their team. I initially did not understand when I saw it here. But once your team wins you are a fan of championship team and that drives other fans to give more support wanting to be one. If things work out, believe me people are going to wait for the season. If I hadn’t responded to any of ur views/opinions, it jus because of the length of the mail I already had :)
$ said -: Yes!! IPL is an entertainment package and a commercial product and that’s exactly what bothers me......I just ask one Q Why cant the batsmen dance on the pitch after hitting a six and the bowlers dance after taking a wicket? Am sure to make heads turn more , they may do that down the lane by paying double the amount once the concert/cheerleaders "Nasha" gets down....So shud we or can we take all these antics on the field under "entertainment package" ??? Probably along with the cricketing talent, one has to have additional skills like dancing and making antics on field to get into the team. Same is the case with reality shows....How many singing competitions remained juts singing......Now singing involves, dancing, performing, acting and what not...and I am sure not many are interested in reality shows nowadays. It just reaches a peak and after that there is decline in all ways......Hope ur trying to get what I am trying to say :) In the name of entertainment and money, people cant ruin certain basic code of conduct......
I am not completely denying the fact that cricket has to be there thru out with this entertainment but where is the need to adulterate it with something which is going to be ephemeral and ruins the basic cause. All said and done, I am going to witness an IPL match today he he he ......Ofcourse trying to see and judge how and what this package looks like?? :))) Lemme see if it convinces me or irritates..
What hap’d to others especially Anil/Saraa/Ravi....Only chandu,jagan, Kunche and sasi have responded till now...:)
Chandu said -: Well....I can speak about IPL, its format and its being an "entertainment" package.....but I am pretty sure I cant speak for the "Nasha" you are talking about :) I don’t know much about reality shows either. I don’t like them.As far as know after watching games here where these things are kinda derived from I guess, these concerts/cheerleaders are there to cheer the crowd. They try their best to keep the mood/atmosphere so that the crowd do not have any boring moments in between. They carry forward the tempo in between breaks. That’s what their role is supposed to be. What ever you derive from that is upto you :). Regarding this "entertainment" thing, that is all I got to say. Anyways, try to njoy the game. Don’t spend time figuring out what u like and what u don’t like :) Have fun!
$ said -: I saw the match and I am here to confess that I had loads of fun not just cos of the cheerleaders but with the electric mood that the sport and added entertainment that created......Happened to read an article that Rajdeep sardesai wrote about Twenty20 game......
You must read this and frankly what’s written in the blog is exactly what I feel.... http://www.ibnlive.com/blogs/rajdeepsardesai/1/50980/twenty20-the-page-3-of-cricket.html
Anil said -: Sreee....>> Where is the need to adulterate it with something which is going to be eiphemeral and ruins the basic cause. i saw the deccan chargers Vs bengaluru match just now. did not understand what adulterated cricket. It was a very gud nail biter and i just think that somehow u did not like the cheerleader(s)..maybe jealous of them or something like that :)
>>Yes!! IPL is an entertainment package and a commercial product and thats exactly what bothers me....... we do watch cricket (or any other sport) for entertainment purpose right???its just the waste of time between overs u can now cheer urself by watching something...when u watch at home u can browse between channels wheras if u are the stadium u cannot do much..(unless u are there with a big gang) that is what IPL solved which will help them sell more tickets ...also as the match is just 3 hours many ppl wudcbe inetrested to come and so the high prices for all ads..today its IPL tomorrow we may have cheerleaders for india vs pak match ..who knows..its just IPL started this thing for cricket..i do not hink it wud just stay with IPL.... personally I would like to see some stunts/pyramids etc from teh cheerleaders..and btw the hyd'bad cheerleaders are dressed more than any tollywood heroine..they are covered from neck to heels, so i guess reduce one of ur crib right...:) I am getting ready for shah rukh Vs preity's match.. now..enjoy
~$,09/05/2008, 9:00 pm
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